New confusing speed data
5 Comments Published by Adventures of Greg on Monday, June 16, 2008 at 4:23 PM.It was a perfect weather day today so I got the record boat out to Elbow Valley community lake and ran some test with the new short flexible shaft and free hub:
- #1 flex shaft, small rudder, freehub, 150 watts = 11.9 kph
- #2 REPEAT of #1 = 11.8 kph
- #3 REPEAT of #1 = 11.8 kph
- #4 100 watts = 10.3 kph
- #5 200 watts = 13.2 kph
The spring steel shaft felt good - about the same as the stainless shaft I had on before. My speeds were about .1 kph faster with the smaller shaft diameter and length.
The other good news was the freehub that I coupled to the shaft worked very well. It allowed me to coast without pedaling whereas before, when I stopped moving the pedals, the prop would stop also and cause drag. However, it did nothing to change the feel of the normal pedal action and I found that I missed not being able to pedal backward to clear weeds from the prop or to go in reverse. I don' think that the weight or complexity of the freehub is worth it for the record boat. I don't plan on coasting at all anyhow. Here is a video of the freeprop spinning:
I've been waiting for decent weather, so I took the opportunity and packed the boat up and went to Glenmore reservoir to test some longer, straighter runs with some disappointing results:
- #1 1 km out and back = 11.1 kph
- #2 1.3 km out and back = 11.1 kph
- #3 1.3 km big loop = 10.9 kph
- #4 .8 km loop, NO RUDDER = 11.6 kph (10 kph wind)
- #5 .8 km loop, BIG RUDDER = 11.1 kph (10 kph wind)
So why were my long runs at Glenmore so much slower than at Elbow?
Is it possible that at the small Elbow valley lake I am taking advantage of a counter clockwise flow in the lake? I doubt it because I don't really ever notice any kind of drift when sitting still.
My rudderless run at Glenmore was very close to the speed of the rudderless run at Elbow if I subtract .2 kph for 10 kph winds. Also so was the small loop big rudder run. The only difference was that the initial runs were either straight or a large loop. This makes me think that my slower speeds at Glenmore are due to the straight line route or very large loops that I did. Perhaps the boat is more efficient if it is making a small, constant left hand turn.
To confirm this, I need to get back out to Glenmore (or some other large lake) and repeat tests with various loop diameters and directions. Here is an updated speed table:
| date | lake | power watts | wind kph | waves | rudder | prop | loop size km | loop dir | hull | floats | other | SPEED kph |
| 06/05/08 | elbow | 150 | 5 | ripples | big | thin | .5 | counter | taped | norm | 11.1 | |
| 06/09/08 | elbow | 150 | calm | flat | big | thin | .5 | counter | painted | norm | 11.2 | |
| 06/09/08 | elbow | 150 | calm | flat | small | thin | .5 | counter | painted | norm | 11.7 | |
| 06/09/08 | elbow | 150 | calm | flat | small | thick | .5 | counter | painted | norm | 11.7 | |
| 06/09/08 | elbow | 150 | calm | flat | small | thin | .5 | counter | painted | norm | prop strut pulled into hull with cord | 11.6 |
| 06/09/08 | elbow | 150 | calm | flat | none | thin | .5 | counter | painted | norm | 11.8 | |
| 06/09/08 | elbow | 150 | calm | flat | small | thin | .5 | clock | painted | norm | 11.1 | |
| 06/09/08 | elbow | 150 | 10 | ripply | small | thin | .5 | counter | painted | norm | 11.5 | |
| 06/12/08 | elbow | 150 | 20 | waves | big | thin | .5 | counter | painted | norm | 11.0 | |
| 06/09/08 | elbow | 150 | 20 | waves | big | thick | .5 | counter | painted | norm | 10.9 | |
| 06/09/08 | elbow | 150 | 20 | waves | small | thick | .5 | counter | painted | norm | 11.3 | |
| 06/09/08 | elbow | 150 | 20 | waves | small | thin | .5 | counter | painted | skimmers | rods | 10 |
| 06/09/08 | elbow | 150 | 20 | waves | small | thin | .5 | counter | painted | skimmers | no rods | 10.2 |
| 06/16/08 | elbow | 150 | calm | flat | small | thin | .5 | counter | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 11.9 |
| 06/16/08 | elbow | 150 | calm | flat | small | thin | .5 | counter | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 11.8 |
| 06/16/08 | elbow | 150 | calm | flat | small | thin | .5 | counter | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 11.8 |
| 06/16/08 | elbow | 100 | calm | flat | small | thin | .5 | counter | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 10.3 |
| 06/16/08 | elbow | 200 | calm | flat | small | thin | .5 | counter | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 13.2 |
| 06/16/08 | Glenmore | 150 | calm | flat | small | thin | 2 | out&back | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 11.1 |
| 06/16/08 | Glenmore | 150 | calm | flat | small | thin | 2.6 | out&back | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 11.1 |
| 06/16/08 | Glenmore | 150 | calm | flat | small | thin | 1.35 | counter | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 10.9 |
| 06/16/08 | Glenmore | 150 | 10 | ripply | none | thin | .84 | counter | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 11.6 |
| 06/16/08 | Glenmore | 150 | 10 | ripply | big | thin | .8 | counter | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 11.1 |
| 06/17/08 | Ghost | 150 | 5 | ripply | small | thin | .8 | out&back | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 11.6/11.2 = 11.4 |
| 06/17/08 | Ghost | 150 | 5 | ripply | small | thin | .52 | counter | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 11.5 |
| 06/17/08 | Ghost | 150 | 5 | ripply | small | thin | .56 | clock | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 11.6 |
| 06/17/08 | Ghost | 150 | 10 | ripply | small | thick | 1 | out&back | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub | 11.7/11.2 = 11.4 |
| 06/17/08 | Ghost | 150 | 10 | ripply | small | thick | .7 | out&back | painted | norm | flex shaft & freehub. NO PROP STRUT | 11.8/11.2 = 11.5 |
| 06/28/08 | U Kanan | 150 | 10 | waves, ripples, some calm | small | thin | 7.19 | out&back | painted | norm | flex shaft | 11 |
| 06/28/08 | U Kanan | 150 | 5 | ripples | small | thin | 1.19 | clock | flex shaft | 11.5 | ||
| 06/28/08 | U Kanan | 150 | 5 | ripples | small | thin | 1.13 | counter | flex shaft | 11.5 | ||
| 06/28/08 | U Kanan | 150 | 10 | waves, ripples | small | thin | 10.3 | giant loop of lake - counter | flex shaft | 11 | ||
| 06/28/08 | U Kanan | 120 | 10 | waves, ripples, | small | thin | 10.1 | giant loop of lake - clock | flex shaft | 10.1 | ||
| 06/28/08 | U Kanan | 120 | 5 | ripples | small | thin | 1 | clock | flex shaft | 10.5 | ||
| 06/28/08 | U Kanan | 100 | 5 | ripples | small | thin | 1 | clock | flex shaft | 9.6 |
| Observations |
| 1. Every 5 kph of wind equates to .1 kph decrease in speed 2. Big rudder is .6 kph slower than small rudder. Small rudder is .1 kph slower than no rudder 3. Right hand turns dramatically slow the boat down. 4. Paint vs packing tape was worth a speed increase of .1 kph 5. Elliminating the prop strut is worth an additional .1 kph in speed. 6. Counter clockwise loops at Elbow Valley lake are worth an additional .2 to .3 kph average speed due to current (??? need to verify) 7. remove the seals and backing off the lock-nuts on the gear box are worth an additional .1 kph average speed. 8. The narrowed 1/4" spring steel shaft compared to the 3/8" stainless shaft is worth .1 kph speed increase |
Labels: 24hourHPBrecord, boatbuilding
it is possible that your boat is tuned for slow turns. Kinda like an Indy car. Forcing it to go straight must take some force (and drag) and that could be responsible for slower speeds.
Greg, the offset propellor and torque wants to turn the boat to port, all you have to do is work out the best speed radius the boat travels at and use that for the record attempt. Russell
offset thrust turning to port: We have calculated that the amount of power from rudder to correct the offset thrust is VERY minimal. There is something additional which is causing the lower speeds going straight.
It is true that I could just find the ideal radius and use that for the record attempt course, but it would be small - probably about 1/2 km circumference. YIKES! I can't imagine going around that for 24 hours. It would be like the 1/4 mile race track in Eureka during the 24 hour HPV record.
gk
Hey greg, depending on where you were running, there's a noticable current in the reservoir right now due to the water being so low. The channel (or river if you will) is much more pronounced and depending on where your speed runs were, this could have affected you.
Greg, out of interest is it at all possible for you to sling the prop over the other side and see what happens? Or is it one side only?